Dear Dr. Hamburg:
At the request of medical consumers concerned about HPV vaccine safety and efficacy, SANE Vax Inc. has retained a private laboratory to test a number of samples of HPV 4 Gardasil™ (Merck) for possible contamination by human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA in the vaccine lots distributed to physicians.
The laboratory has informed SANE Vax Inc. that one hundred percent of thirteen (13) samples of Gardasil™ taken from lots #1437Z, #1511Z, # 0553AA, #NL35360, #NP23400, #NN33070, #NL01490, #NM25110, #NL39620, #NK16180, #NK00140, #NM08120 and #NL13560, currently being marketed in the U.S.A., Australia, New Zealand, Spain, France, and Poland have been found to be positive for HPV DNA.
One of the HPV DNA fragments detected in the vaccine is part of a synthetic construct (GenBank Locus SCU55993) for HPV11 major capsid protein L1 gene, a recombinant DNA genetically engineered specifically for manufacturing of the Gardasil vaccine. Its unique sequence is copied below for your reference.
Because one hundred percent of the samples tested were positive for HPV DNA contamination, SANE Vax Inc. requests the FDA investigate the extent of the HPV DNA contamination in the Gardasil HPV4 vaccine currently on the market and take appropriate actions to ensure public safety regarding future shipments.
The SANE Vax Inc. data, including the electropherograms of short target sequencing used to validate the HPV DNA detected in the thirteen (13) Gardasil samples, each with a different lot number, are available for your review, provided appropriate safeguards are in place to protect the proprietary processes and information utilized by our laboratory to test the samples.
Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter.
Respectfully, Norma Erickson, President SANE Vax Inc. 154 Cecil Drive Troy MT 59935 Signed on behalf of the Board of Directors, SANE Vax, Inc. Leslie Carol Botha, Vice President of Public Relations Janny Stokvis, Vice President of Research Rosemary Mathis, Vice President, Victim Support Freda Birrell, Secretary Linda Thompson, TreasurerRead the response from the FDA here.
SANE Vax Inc. issued the following rebuttal to the FDA response:
To: Mr. Walter J. Gardner (walter.gardner@fda.hhs.gov) Re: Rebuttal to FDA response dated September 23, 2011 14 October 2011
Dear Mr. Gardner:
Thank you for taking time to respond to our September 2, 2011 letter addressed to Commissioner Hamburg, informing the FDA of our discovery of recombinant HPV DNA in Merck & Co.’s HPV 4 vaccine, Gardasil currently marketed worldwide.
Your response dated September 22, 2011 seems to indicate that the FDA is unaware of, or indifferent to the harms HPV vaccines have brought to medical consumers; primarily adolescent girls, as documented in the VAERS reports. Do you know how many parents have lost their perfectly healthy young daughters and how many parents still have to deal with the hardship of caring for their physically disabled or mentally impaired daughters as a result of Gardasil vaccinations?
There are at least seven reports published in the peer-reviewed medical journals containing documented links between HPV vaccination and a class of newly recognized, probably immune-mediated inflammatory neurodegenerative disorders, also described under the name of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM).[1-7] These inflammatory pathologies in the central nervous system may constitute a highly likely cause for the commonly reported seizures, physical and mental impairments or even deaths following Gardasil vaccinations.
Your response appears to show the FDA has definitively dismissed the aforementioned peer-reviewed articles and the possible link of the confirmed cases of ADEM to HPV vaccinations, a link that has been universally suggested by the authors of the science-based articles.
Contrary to your assertion, recombinant HPV DNA does not have to be able to infect cells, or to self-reproduce to cause or to trigger a disease. When adsorbed to cationic particles, [8, 9] including aluminum adjuvant, [10] the DNA molecules can be inserted into human cells via mechanisms only recently recognized as nonviral gene delivery to their targets.[11]
Chromosomal integration of foreign DNA may occur through poorly understood mechanisms [12, 13] with uncertain consequences.[14] Recombinant DNA molecules have long been recognized as potential biohazards.[15] Retention of residual recombinant DNA in protein-based vaccines has been a concern in the virology industry since the induction of cancer as a single-cell phenomenon. It is well documented that a single functional unit of foreign DNA integrated into the host cell genome might serve to induce cell transformation as a single event or part of a series of multifactorial events. [16]
SANE Vax Inc. believes it is the FDA’s responsibility to conduct an investigation based on the new scientific information to protect public safety. We believe it is irresponsible of the FDA to simply declare ‘…the presence of residual DNA is not a safety factor’ without ‘due diligence’ and supportive data.
Unlike other vaccines against contagious childhood infectious diseases, and even if proven effective as claimed, HPV vaccination is targeting 9-12 year old children to prevent 70% of cervical cancers which may develop at an average age of 54 at the death rate of <3 to 6.7 per 100,000 women in various population groups in the United States[17]. Cervical cancer deaths are primarily the result of a lack of adequate gynecologic care.
For a vaccine to prevent a disease that may occur 40 years later, at a death rate of 3-6.7/100,000 – which may be further decreased by adequate and affordable gynecologic care, the risk to the vaccinated children should be zero to reap any benefits from said vaccination. As you are aware, all other childhood vaccines are used for public safety in the prevention of infectious diseases, not for a disease that may occur 40 years down the road in a finite demographic who have limited access to adequate gynecological care.
The members of SANE Vax and the thousands of parents whose daughters have suffered injuries or died after receiving Gardasil injections were shocked to learn for the first time that “Gardasil does contain recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments,” as stated in your response on behalf of the FDA to our report of September 2, 2011.
Your statements, “The presence of these expected DNA fragments, which are inevitable in vaccine production; this DNA is not a contaminant; after purification of the vaccine, small quantities of residual recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments remain in the vaccine; and Information concerning the presence of HPV DNA has never been in the U.S. labeling for Gardasil” seemed to play a semantics game when compared to the information data released to the consumers in public by the vaccine manufacturer with collaboration of the FDA and equivalent regulatory agencies in other countries.
Following are samples of some of the documents with relevant statements still available in the public domain:
1) A briefing document submitted to the FDA for the Gardasil™ Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) meeting held on May 18, 2006 attached to a letter signed by Patrick Brill-Edwards, MD, Director Worldwide Regulatory Affairs Vaccines/Biologics of Merck Research Laboratories dated April 19, 2006, made public and posted on the FDA website, clearly stated that the vaccine (sic) “…contains no viral DNA”.
2) In another Gardasil® Supplemental Biologics Licensing Application for Use in Anal Cancer Prevention submitted as Briefing Document presented to the FDA VRBPAC on 17-Novemner-2010, it is again stated under 3.2 GARDASIL®- “The Quadrivalent HPV (Types 6, 11, 16, 18) Vaccine GARDASIL®is not a live virus vaccine; it contains no viral DNA, and is therefore incapable of causing infection.”
3) In Submission Control No. 102682 to Health Canada by Merck Frosst Canada Ltd. GARDASIL™ – Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (Types 6, 11, 16, 18), Recombinant Vaccine, Date 2007/03/16, it is stated “Gardasil™ contains HPV 6, 11, 16, and 18 L1 proteins in addition to the following excipients: amorphous aluminium hydroxyphosphate sulphate adjuvant, sodium chloride, L-histidine, polysorbate 80 (PS-80), sodium borate, and water for injection (WFI). The product contains no preservative or antibiotics. Gardasil™ is not a live virus vaccine. It contains no viral DNA and is not capable of causing infection. All excipients found in the drug product are acceptable for use in drugs according to the Food and Drug Regulations.”
4) In United Kingdom, Sanofi Pasteur MSD Limited Summary of Product Characteristics last updated on the eMC: 26/08/2011 states that Gardasil is an adjuvanted non-infectious recombinant quadrivalent vaccine prepared from the highly purified virus-like particles (VLPs) of the major capsid L1 protein of HPV types 6, 11, 16 and 18. “The VLPs contain no viral DNA, they cannot infect cells, reproduce or cause disease.” http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/document.aspx?documentid=19016
5) In an Australian Public Assessment Report for Gardasil submitted by Merck Sharp & Dohme (Australia) Pty Ltd February 2011, it states that GARDASIL contains HPV 6, 11, 16 and 18 L1 VLPs. Each VLP is composed of a unique recombinant L1 major capsid protein for the respective HPV type. Because the virus-like particles contain no viral DNA, they cannot infect cells or reproduce. http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/auspar/auspar-gardasil.pdf
6) In New Zealand Ministry of Health Information for Health Professionals Data Sheet submitted by Merck Sharp & Dohme (NZ) Limited on 29 April 2009, it states that GARDASIL contains HPV 6, 11, 16 and 18 L1 VLPs. Each VLP is composed of a unique recombinant L1 major capsid protein for the respective HPV type. Because the virus-like particles contain no viral DNA, they cannot infect cells or reproduce. …Each 0.5-mL dose of the vaccine contains approximately 225 mcg of aluminum (as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate adjuvant), 9.56 mg of sodium chloride, 0.78 mg of L-histidine, 50 mcg of polysorbate 80, 35 mcg of borax, and water for injection.
7) In the document issued April 2011 and titled as USPPI 9883616 Patient Information about GARDASIL®, the medical consumers are informed “The ingredients are proteins of HPV Types 6, 11, 16, and 18, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, yeast protein, sodium chloride, L-histidine, polysorbate 80, sodium borate, and water for injection.” There is no reference to DNA in the vaccine although yeast protein which is an adventitious substance is disclosed.
8) In HIGHLIGHTS OF PRESCRIBING INFORMATION 9883616, April 2011. GARDASIL is described as a “sterile suspension for intramuscular administration. Each 0.5-mL dose of the vaccine contains approximately 225 mcg of aluminum (as Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate adjuvant), 9.56 mg of sodium chloride, 0.78 mg of L-histidine, 50 mcg of polysorbate 80, 35 mcg of sodium borate, <7 mcg yeast protein/dose, and water for injection.” There is no reference to DNA in the vaccine although yeast protein which is an adventitious substance is disclosed and listed the amount present to be <7 mcg/dose.
The above documents clearly indicate that all documents #1- #6 issued prior to April 2011 contained the words ‘no viral DNA.’ However, the same reference has not been on the last two documents, #7 and #8 issued in April 2011. Comparing your statements with the history of records, it is highly disturbing to find out now that the FDA and vaccine manufacturer knew from the very beginning and withheld such an important material fact from consumers; namely that Gardasil has always been contaminated by residual recombinant HPV DNA.
Your statement ‘this DNA is not a contaminant’ is a simply another semantics game designed to evade inconvenient information. It grossly contradicts what the manufacturer has acknowledged and presented to the public.
For your information, the US patent #6,602,697 granted to Merck states:
“Specifically, it has been found that most contaminating biomolecules, including DNA, lipids and proteins are removed from the lysate.”
“Quantitation of L1 was made using a 2.5 mg load and yeast contaminants were quantitated at 20.0 mg loading.”
Therefore, again the record shows that the vaccine manufacturer has considered both residual DNA and yeast protein to be contaminants in the final product and as such must be removed. If not completely removed, it must be disclosed when it was detected. For example, the contaminant yeast protein was detected and listed as <7mcg/dose in April 2011 (See document above #8). Why was the contaminant HPV DNA not disclosed if known to exist?
To help medical consumers understand these very disturbing statements in your response, please provide answers to the following questions:
1) How large, in number of base pairs, are these recombinant HPV DNA fragments that are known to exist in the vaccine Gardasil?
2) Are these DNA fragments in the vaccine still spliced into plasmids? If not, please show data.
3) Can you provide a copy of the document in which the vaccine manufacturer reported that Gardasil does contain these DNA fragments, along with the date of the report made to the FDA?
4) What was the decision of the FDA issued on the above report? Why not make public the information about the existence of HPV DNA in the vaccine products? Who signed off the decision?
Your categorical denial that ‘there is no scientific evidence linking juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and vaccination with Gardasil’ grossly contradicts the safety data observed in the clinical trial which showed rheumatoid arthritis, including juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, occurred 3 times more frequently in the Gardasil®-vaccinated subjects than in the placebo control subject receiving aluminum placebo.[18] Complexes of anti-DNA antibodies with microbial or self DNA may play a role in the activation of B cells by Toll-like receptors and surface IgM rheumatoid factor.[19, 20] The immunotoxic reactions may be further augmented by the aluminum adjuvant in the vaccine.[21]
Your response and this letter of rebuttal will be posted on the SANE Vax website so medical consumers will be properly informed of the contradicting evidence on the risks and benefits of Gardasil vaccination. This will preserve their right to make an informed choice regarding the use of Gardasil for their families.
SANE Vax Inc. and the injured patients along with their families urge the FDA to immediately appoint a committee composed of unbiased scientists to review the safety impact of the newly discovered residual recombinant HPV DNA in Gardasil. All cases of unexplained deaths of young women following Gardasil immunizations must be reviewed and the brains obtained at autopsies re-examined by qualified neuropathologists to determine if an immune-based acute disseminated encephalomyelitis might be the cause of death. Research must be conducted to determine if residual HPV DNA might have played a role in triggering the inflammatory lesions of the brain as a cause of death.
If you need more scientific evidence which will contradict your evaluation of the risks and benefits of Gardasil for adolescents age 9-26; especially those 9-12 years old, in the United States, please contact SANE Vax Inc. at your earliest convenience.
Thank you for your cooperation in performing your due diligence to reduce the unnecessary risks to future generations in this country.
Sincerely,
Norma Erickson, President SANE Vax Inc. 154 Cecil Drive Troy MT 59935 Signed on behalf of the Board of Directors, SANE Vax, Inc. Leslie Carol Botha, Vice President of Public Relations Janny Stokvis, Vice President of Research Rosemary Mathis, Vice President, Victim Support Freda Birrell, Secretary Linda Thompson, Treasurer
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Peter Bowditch says
So you tested some vaccines and found the ingredient that makes them effective vaccines? An ingredient that quite clearly has to be there for the vaccine to work. Then you try to frighten uninformed people by suggesting that there is a problem.
I hadn’t heard about your deceptively named site before today, but it has been added to the list headed “Anti-vaccination Liars” at The Millenium Project and will be featured at the next site update.
And a question – which vaccines do you consider to be “necessary” and “effective”, matching the letters in your site name? Or is that just another example of lying?
Norma says
If viral DNA residue ‘makes them effective vaccines,’ why did Merck assure the FDA and medical consumers around the world that there was “no viral DNA” left in the vaccine? Why did Merck bother to use a patented process to remove all residual HPV DNA during the manufacturing process? If it makes the vaccine effective, why is HPV DNA not listed in the ingredients?
It is our philosophy that every medical consumer in the world has a right to Safe, Affordable, Necessary and Effective vaccines and medications. It is not too much to ask for.
mariska says
it consistently amazes me how ignorant vaccine supporters are about the vaccines they so ardently support. I mean, you REALLY have to have no idea of basic immunology and the natural course of immunity to disease. The HPV is NOT supposed to contain viral DNA. This vaccine contains an artificially created hollow viral particle. The immune response to a virus is to the proteins on the viral surface. The viral DNA isn’t needed to generate immunity: the POINT of being immune after an illness is that your antibodies nip the virus as it is invading, BEFORE it shed its particle and started multiplying in the cells. Similarly, DNA isn’t needed for vaccination. In fact, its presence may increase the chance of actually getting a full-blown disease, which is why the vaccines made of live and attenuated viruses are becoming a thing of the past. DNA-based vaccines are only now being developed for certain illnesses, and have their own challenges. For shame, truly.
Natalie says
You know what’s awesome? People who call other people liars when they haven’t even bothered to freaking GOOGLE how vaccines work.
This vaccine is NOT supposed to contain ANY DNA. It contains proteins only. Or at least, it’s supposed to.
The presence of DNA in the vaccine is of *mild* concern because the DNA can cause cancer. Wait… isn’t that what this vaccine is supposed to prevent…? Oh, yeah.
Do your research before making yourself look like an idiot next time =)
Hall says
Peter, it appears you are on the Big Pharma payrole!!!!!!!
Scott Hansen says
The HPV DNA that is found in the vaccine is *supposed* to be there. Without it, the vaccine would not work. Thanks to your ignorance of science, you are further scaring other ignorant people that have no idea of the science behind it.
For a vaccine to work, it needs the DNA of the virus it protects against so that the relevant anti bodies can be produced. Maybe you should do some research before you go on a scare mongering rampage of stupid proportions.
Norma says
If the HPV DNA was supposed to be there, why did Merck go through the trouble to use a patented process to remove it? Why did Merck assure the FDA and medical consumers around the world that there was “no viral DNA” in the vaccine? What is supposed to be in the vaccine is the L1 protein encapsulated in a virus-like particle – NOT viral DNA residue.
Ericka Johnson says
And you work for which pharmaceutical corp., Scott & Pete?
Nancy N says
Of course they do. No conflict of interest there.
mariska says
The joke’s on you, Scott Hansen. You display profound ignorance of immunology and vaccine making. The HPV vaccine’s main ingredient is an artificially created hollow viral particle. The immune response is supposed to be generated to the proteins on the surface of the virus. It’s a standard process in the second generation vaccines. It is meant to minimize the possible side effect of actually getting the illness via active DNA. The DNA is NOT meant to be in the HPV vaccine. But, DNA and RNA contamination is a given for most all vaccines on the market. That a legitimate reason for concern.
Anonie Mouse says
Thanks for helping to reveal the level of deception this company is willing to market their “product”. Let’s let consumers judge this one.
Here comes the haters… is that you Ian??
The Truth Comes Out says
Move over James Hardie!!
Truth About Gardasil says
All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.
NathanThe RantingRooster says
That is utterly profound. Sublime even.
Much falsehood also goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is generally accepted to be without evidence.
For How Long? says
Well, the Australian of the Year certainly did as he wanted. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1555573.htm
So how many girls globally have “caught his disease”… Let’s let the people decide.
Gardasil Victim says
Are the media and the lawyers liars too??
jonathan says
“News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising”. – former NBC news prez Rubin Frank
“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.” – Richard Salent, Former President CBS News.
“If you give a man the correct information for seven years, he may believe the incorrect information on the first day of the eighth year when it is necessary, from your point of view, that he should do so. Your first job is to build the credibility and the authenticity of your propaganda, and persuade the enemy to trust you although you are his enemy.” – A Psychological Warfare Casebook Operations Research Office Johns Hopkins University Baltimore (1958)
the media is heavily complicit in favoring the government & pharmaceutical cartel’s pro-vaccine agenda. without a body count the media & these pro-vaccine people typically don’t care about the endless stories or “anecdotes” about vaccine damage (such as those found at http://www.folowingvaccination.com) or whether or not each case was specifically & legitimately investigated to prove that they weren’t caused by vaccines.
jonathan says
that’s http://www.followingvaccinations.com
Gardasil Victim says
Well the One More Girl film is set now!! Wonder if those brothers knew they’d be famous by the end of it??
True Believer says
Dear Ian Frazer,
Or should I say Dr.Death?
Let’s let you I doubexplain this one to the Australian media this week. How does a man who studied autoimmunology allow this kind of travesty?
Greed, greed, greed. I hope you’re selling The Big Issue by the end of the week…
Donna E. says
Quite simply there is no smoke without fire and in this context Gardasil has been burning so long I’m surprised there are still people left ignorant about the dangers. My daughter is also a victim. It ruined her life. I hope Merck and supporters rot in hell for the damage they are causing. You think GArdasil is okay? Yeah, that’s what they said about Vioxx too… just in case you need reminding.
Bill Bibb says
It is rather odd that we do not have the name of the lab that performed these ‘tests’. We have seen nothing of their materials and methods. We have seen nothing but claims. Can you please provide that data.. or.. I’m afraid that whatever you have to say is immaterial. Do you remember when they found measles RNA in autistic children but then when the work was repeated..sending the same lab blind specimens they could not repeat it? Then finally, the lab was inspected and found to be extremely nasty in terms of DNA/RNA work and they had, indeed, contaminated their test specimens with their positive control. Lets see the data and lets see them do some blind testing.
Schwartz says
I don’t see why it’s odd. Did you happen to notice the letter was sent to the FDA and not actually you? Perhaps you should ask them to publish the attached information that went with the letter? How about their own testing results since you seem so concerned with actual details?
Peter Bowditch says
Perhaps you should notice that no information was sent to the FDA. They were told that the test results and laboratory name would be supplied but with unacceptable conditions attached.
No tests. No laboratory. Prove me wrong.
Schwartz says
I’ll save time and copy my response from above:
“More false logic. You have the erroneous assumption that no one CAN answer your question. Clearly, no one chooses to answer your question. You have demonstrated quite clearly no intent on having an honest discussion.
The proper and entirely appropriate response to a dishonest question is nothing.
“Prove me wrong.”
You talk like a juvenile boy taunting someone to a game of chicken. I don’t need to prove you wrong. You have employed false logic since the start. You clearly have no intent on having an honest discussion. Why should anyone treat what you say as accurate?
Unsubstantiated accusations about paid laboratories mixed with stereotype and insult deserve nothing but silence. I’ll put a ton of money on a bet that if they FDA asks for the results, they’ll get them. The real question you should be asking is if the FDA has even requested the details. Isn’t that the more interesting question?”
Spea says
I am a victim of Gardasil but I will not be addressing the ignorance of the PRO GARDASIL types who have commented.
This is an important discovery because if you knew enough about Gardasil to merely READ THE LEAFLET, you would have seen that MERCK
claims there is no LIVE virus in their concoction and this makes what they’ve done illegal.
Schwartz says
Even worse as it applies in this case, I believe it states “no viral DNA” in several countries.
Peter Bowditch says
Which laboratory did the testing?
Please don’t say Doctors’ Data. The lunacy here is too funny as it is.
Just an observer says
I note that the only people using terms like “lunacy” in this debate are the Pro Gardasil camp. Interesting.
chay says
I also notice that supporters of things like vaccines always use the same terms and phrases in their rebuttals. I mean, sometimes repeating each other word for word; just like a prepared script. They are generally very nasty and insulting, calling those opposed ignorant and insane for even thinking vaccines could be dangerous.
It gets tiresome, but it does show that MERCK is watching and trying to counter the truth getting out.
It’s all about the money, those companies are out for profit, read the trade magazines and all they talk about is how much they make or will make off the vaccines, never about who it helped or hurt. It’s truly sickening. ( they don’t have a vaccine for that but I read they are working on one)
Peter Bowditch says
Spea – I know you have said that you won’t talk to people like me, but which part of the vaccine is live? Please don’t say the “recombinant DNA”, because that is just a chemical and isn’t alive.
Schwartz says
“Just a chemical” is a vast oversimplification by the ignorant. Viral DNA can integrate itself into host DNA without replicating and producing virions. You should buck up and do some reading on SV40 and other similar virus’. It can be “not alive” and still be quite dangerous to the host. That’s why these vaccines weren’t supposed to have the particles in them.
Mary says
Do you even know what “recombinant DNA” is Peter? Educate yourself on what genetically modified genes / DNA can do:
Just some of the dangers of GMOs or genetic modifications, by Dr. Mae-Wan Ho:
“The New Genetics and Natural versus Artificial Genetic Modification:”
https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/entropy/entropy-15-04748/article_deploy/entropy-15-04748.pdf
1. Uncontrollable, unpredictable impacts on safety due to the genetic modification process
▪️Scrambling the host genome
▪️Widespread mutations
▪️Inactivating genes
▪️Activating genes
▪️Creating new transcripts (RNAs) including those with regulatory functions
▪️Creating new proteins
▪️Creating new metabolites or increasing metabolite to toxic levels ▪️Activating dormant viruses
▪️Creating new viruses by recombination of viral genes in GM insert with those in the host genome
2. Toxicity of transgene protein(s) introduced (intentionally or otherwise)
▪️Transgene protein toxic
▪️Transgene protein allergenic or immunogenic
▪️Trangenic protein becoming allergenic or immunogenic due to processing
▪️Unintended protein created by sequence inserted may be toxic or immunogenic
3. Effects due to the GM insert and its instability
▪️Genetic rearrangement with further unpredictable effects
▪️Horizontal gene transfer and recombination
▪️Spreading antibiotic and drug resistance
▪️Creating new viruses and bacteria that cause diseases
▪️Creating mutations in genomes of cells to which the GM insert integrate including those associated with cancer
4.
▪️Toxicity of herbicides used with herbicide tolerant GM crops
*Documented in scientific literature, as reviewed in the main text
Peter Bowditch says
By the way, I was surprised that it took more than two hours before I was accused of working for a pharmaceutical company. You people need to lift your game, because that should be said as the first response to anyone who challenges the madness of anti-vaccination liars like (in)Sanevax.
chay says
Pete, you don’t scare me, and you do come off sounding like a paid shill for MERCK, or a stockholder, or a sales rep who’s salary depends on selling this poison.
Why are you fighting so hard FOR Gardasil? You don’t merely express your support, or approval. You get all amped up like someone with a major stake in keeping the product flowing and the money rolling into your bank account.
Why the need for a website to counter any objections?
Why are you trying so hard to PROVE that objectors are wrong and ignorant of how vaccines work.
Why are you covering for MERCK lying about what’s in the vaccine?
Why are you repeatedly pushing your views and trying to pick a fight?
Is it because most of the people posting are women and in your little mind, in need of correction by you, the male?
YOU DON’T GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMS AND HARMED BY GARDASIL, that maybe it COULD BE dangerous or harmful. And that is what gives you away.
Oh, and don’t make me get quotes from the trade mags about how to counter any opposition to Gardasil.
Go ahead and explain your position and what you have to gain.
Schwartz says
Actually, I was surprised at how fast the goalpost moved:
First it was the ignorant assumption that the DNA should be there.
Now, after realizing the gaff, it must be the lab.
Of course, if you actually knew anything about Doctors Data, you would know they don’t do DNA testing. Doh…
Let me predict the next move in the playbook… OK, but really no one has proved that the viral DNA is not safe. LOL. Wait for it…
DixieDiva says
Is this from the latest edition of Neurodiversity for Dummies?
Just a chemical says
Just a chemical that could trigger seizures, blood clotting, neuro conditions and auto immune complications? 😉
Sandy L says
The presence of unknown ingredients in vaccines is at least as worrying as the ones which are known. It is possible that the complete list of ingredients for some vaccines will forever remain unknown even to the manufacturers. Knowing the complexities – perhaps impossibilities
– and due to potential gigantic costs, there may be no incentive for manufacturers to attempt to find the complete composition of vaccines.
As analysis methods become more advanced, more substances have been, and are still discovered unexpectedly in vaccines which may have been on the market for a long time.
In analysing vaccines, samples are taken from different batches. There are never any two batches in vaccines or other injections which show completely identical composition regarding all the ingredients.
The results stated in the article showing consistency in the analysis results regarding the presence of HPV DNA contamination should be taken extremely seriously.
Peter Bowditch says
You do realise that you contradicted yourself there, don’t you?
Yes, there will be slight variability, because that’s the way microbiology works. The fact that this unnamed laboratory got exactly the same measurements each time says that either the laboratory was simply making the results up to suit what someone wanted to hear or, more likely, no tests were ever done and the reported test results are simply a lie told to advance the women-and-girl-killing agenda of the opponents of the HPV vaccine.
Why will nobody say the name of the laboratory? Is it because as soon as a name is mentioned people might be able to check?
jonathan says
you misread, bowditch.
what she said was, “There are never any two batches in vaccines or other injections which show completely identical composition **regarding all the ingredients**.”
the hpv dna is but one component of the toxic brew.
the fact that hpv dna content was discovered to be uniform across ALL 13 SAMPLES FROM 13 DIFFERENT LOTS seems to imply that it was imparted into the vaccines with a carefully measured dose of disdain for human life.
Peter Bowditch says
No, it tells me that either the testing laboratory was incompetent, it provided the results that were being paid for or, most likely, the laboratory never existed, no tests were done and lies are being told.
What is the name of the laboratory? It’s a simple question. Either someone provides an answer or it means that there were no tests done.
Nancy N says
http://peterbowditch.com/writing/index.html
Peter Bowditch says
Thanks. I must update that page. I’ll do it later today.
Nancy N says
Any so invested in the promoting of vaccines has interests that are far beyond “protecting” people. Period.
DixieDiva says
Peter,
It is not the responsibility of anyone to test these unsafe vaccines for Merck and the bought and paid for FDA. This is only the least of the concerns related to vaccines that have not even been studied for their carcinogenic and mutagenic effects. How any “expert” can say in the absence of scientific evidence that vaccines are “safe” is clearly silly. I suppose the only “science they think is important is the “science” that they continue to say does not show a vaccine/autism causal link.
And maybe you can share with us the rationale that live virus vaccines are capable of making its recipients contagious for up to SIX weeks according to the label of the Merck Varivax for chicken pox? How exactly is intentional injection and rendering vaccinees contagious preventing the spread of illness? That is the purpose of administering vaccines, correct? To PREVENT the spread of illnesses?
Peter Bowditch says
It might be true that it is nobody’s responsibility to test vaccines, but someone has declared that tests were done. If tests were done, and the continued silence about the name of the laboratory suggests that none were, then naming the testing laboratory should be a simple matter.
Vaccines can make people contagious. That is not secret. So what?
DixieDiva says
So what? We the so-called purpose of giving vaccines is to “prevent” the spread of illnesses? Why not just promote hand-washing and a good diet? Why promote something that spreads illnesses by contagious recipients?
Peter Bowditch says
Make sure your daughter eats well and washes her hands before having intimate relationships with her boyfriend. That should work.
Peter Bowditch says
I notice that some of my comments have been removed, but responses have been left behind. I am not surprised by this, as it is a common tactic of people who are driven by religious or ideological agendas rather than the facts.
Perhaps it is too hard to answer these questions:
1) Which laboratory did the tests?
2) What are some of the “necessary” and “effective” vaccines referred to in the name “Sane”?
Peter Bowditch says
Sorry – itr appears that the blog software is shuffling threads.
The two questions still stand.
Sheila says
3) Why does anyone respond to trolls?
karen Haack says
just for your info…My daughters life and health has been destroyed by gardasil. I don’t know who you are nor do I care. But shut the hell up.
Schwartz says
Hey Peter,
“2) What are some of the “necessary” and “effective” vaccines referred to in the name “Sane”?”
A dishonest question does not deserve an answer. The decision to undergo ANY medical intervention comes down to a risk/benefit analysis for the INDIVIDUAL. Given that no individual’s situations are the same, a generalized answer such as yours is completely illogical and hence dishonest. A dishonest question does not deserve an answer. It deserves to be called out for what it is.
Peter Bowditch says
In what way does a request for clarification become a “dishonest question”?
It seems simple enough to me – SANE seem to be claiming that at least some vaccines are either necessary or effective. Which vaccines are these?
Schwartz says
“I notice that some of my comments have been removed, but responses have been left behind. I am not surprised by this, as it is a common tactic of people who are driven by religious or ideological agendas rather than the facts.”
From what I’ve seen so far, your logic is so broken, we wouldn’t really notice if anything was removed. Are you sure you didn’t hit the wrong button?
Peter Bowditch says
Name the laboratory or be shown to be lying. It’s that simple.
And while we are at it, when am I going to be told which vaccines are “necessary ” and “effective”? You know, the “N” and “E” in SANE? If you can’t do that then you must be lying about the name of the organisation as well as the tests.
Schwartz says
So we’ve moved from shifting goalposts to false dichotomy. Either the lab is revealed, or it’s all a lie! The grand (standing) Peter has spoken. Good grief.
I highly doubt you would be able to judge anything from the lab. If you were really interested in having an honest discussion, you would be asking about the results and the viral DNA, not the lab.
Peter Bowditch says
Why can nobody answer two simple questions?
1) What was the name of the laboratory that did the tests?
2) What are the “necessary” and “effective” vaccines represented by the “N” and “E” in SANE Vax?
The reason I ask about the laboratory is that there is at least one laboratory favoured by anti-vaxxers that will produce any result the person paying the bills asks for. The person who wrote the letter to the FDA would not even tell them who did the testing. Why not? The only reasonable assumption is that no tests were done. Prove me wrong.
Schwartz says
More false logic. You have the erroneous assumption that no one CAN answer your question. Clearly, no one chooses to answer your question. You have demonstrated quite clearly no intent on having an honest discussion.
The proper and entirely appropriate response to a dishonest question is nothing.
“Prove me wrong.”
You talk like a juvenile boy taunting someone to a game of chicken. I don’t need to prove you wrong. You have employed false logic since the start. You clearly have no intent on having an honest discussion. Why should anyone treat what you say as accurate?
Unsubstantiated accusations about paid laboratories mixed with stereotype and insult deserve nothing but silence. I’ll put a ton of money on a bet that if they FDA asks for the results, they’ll get them. The real question you should be asking is if the FDA has even requested the details. Isn’t that the more interesting question?
Peter Bowditch says
My erroneous logic can be addressed easily. Tell me the name of the laboratory.
And when did I say that nobody CAN answer that question? If the laboratory exists then of course someone can tell me the name. If it exists, I said.
The last time I asked an anti-vaccination liar for the name of a laboratory I was sent a copy of the test results. Why not here? And I’m not even asking for the result sheets showing such things as the type of test and the laboratory’s calibration and error ranges. Just the name.
My last set of diabetes tests were done by Douglass Hanly Moir. See how easy it is?
Schwartz says
Note to Peter, this is what you said first: “Why can nobody answer two simple questions?”
Please also note the word “can” in the first sentence?
“The last time I asked an anti-vaccination liar for the name of a laboratory I was sent a copy of the test results.”
Hmm, that’s false logic of induction. Are we all to extrapolate the worst case to everything in life? How stupid is that kind of assumption? In reality, I hardly believe your assessment of someone else lying since you are clearly dishonest in all your posts so far.
“My last set of diabetes tests were done by Douglass Hanly Moir. See how easy it is?”
You continue to exhibit no indication of having an honest discussion. The irony is that we don’t even have to extrapolate any worst case when evaluating your intent here. It was clearly demonstrated from your first post.
Calibration and error ranges? For detecting DNA? Please, can you try to ask at least one question that is related to the science here? You seem obsessed with Doctors Data and chemical testing. Wake up, this is different.
Schwartz says
“My erroneous logic can be addressed easily. Tell me the name of the laboratory.”
LOL, the name of the laboratory has nothing to do with your erroneous logic. The name of the lab is not relevant to the discussion as it won’t help you determine the validity of the tests.
If you believe that the lab results are false, why not order a gardasil shot for yourself (don’t you know it prevents throat cancer in males?) and have it tested for the DNA that was helpfully supplied by this site. That way you wouldn’t have to rely on anyone else’s word. Since the problem seems to be worldwide, I’m sure the odds of the lot in your local pharmacy will be contaminated along with the rest of them. Once you’ve done that, why don’t you just report back here with the results. I personally look forward to your findings.
Sweetalker says
So… what was that laboratory name again?
karen Haack says
Gardasil destroyed my daughter. She has ovarian failure. peripherial vision loss. ulcerative colitis, allergic to most food, goes in to shock frequently. Becomes paraplegic on occasions, 24/7 migraines. We have had numerous ER visits since Gardasil. Before Gardasil we were in the ER twice in her life. Once for double pneumonia and once when she cut her finger. Now we are frequent fliers and her life is at risk daily from all the food allergies….Gardasil needs to be removed NOW. Before it damages another child…
Alicia says
I cannot understand how it is possible that they inject a virus to our healthy daughters! That´s incredible, that sort of virus should be transmitted sexually and not with the injection. Health Authorities should look into the matter, it is the health of healthy girls, many of them have become seriously ill after vacinating. And what is more without the recognition of the side effects they have suffered. It is time Health Authorities around the world look for the interest of our daughters. From my point of view, vaccination should be stopped until there is scientific evidence of the possible consequences of this finding.
Irish mothers says
What on earth are they doing to our children!!! Mothers Alliance Ireland has repeatedly raised concerns about this vaccine with the powers that be in Ireland and called for a moritorium on all vaccinations until more information was available, but we were assured by politicians, Health authorities, the Irish Medicines Board, the Ombudsman for Children, and others in positions of responsibility that the vaccine is safe and effective and that it will protect our girls. Now it appears they were all wrong. The vaccine is contaminated and thousands of Irish girls have been put at serious risk. MAI now call for that moritorium to be put in place immediately.
Jackie Hogan says
The most important thing is the safety of our precious children. Many parents had the belief that they were protecting their children by having them vaccinated as they believed HPV vaccines were safe and protected their children from cervical cancer. We live in a climate whereby we are driven through FEAR…. the Fear of Disease ……the Fear of Cancer….. Fear Fear Fear. We are looking for ways to eliminate the threat of Fear , we think how will we stay safe .As we become more afraid of illness Pharmaceutical companies are assured we will rush to buy their products, we just want to be free of this FEAR and when it comes to our families we would stop at no cost to protect them.
We have trusted these people in Authority and handed our power over to them. Why do we need to check out what is in these vaccines, we are sure those in power are more educated and experienced than us so we give them a free hand and believe all we are told. We sit back and get on with raising our families and going about our everyday business.
Well it is ok for us to research and educate ourselves as to what is in vaccines, what are the ingredients in vaccines, can they cause harm. It can be a challenge looking up the different toxic chemicals and seeing the reports regarding each substance but you can do it. Take your time as you decide about Gardasil, read the reports from mothers fathers and daughters from around the world who have been harmed by Gardasil. Parents around the world whose children have been hurt are speaking out to help YOU decide about Gardasil. SANE vax is giving you valuable information that will EMPOWER you and keep you Safe.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jackie Hogan
Anna Dominguez Smith says
Hello VINE, Don’t mind my Aussie Troll, here. He and his friends are harmless. Look here: http://www.ratbags.com/ Appreciate the fact that he is being very polite on your page. At home his cohort are not. Have a look at my Facebook Page to judge for yourself. You can still catch their vile missives and harassment before Facebook deal with them: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Anna-Dominguez-Smith/127003053996833. He and his friends are not so diligent and fair – minded over here with a similar person and group to yourselves, called Australian Vaccination Network. Look here. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Vaccination-Network/55142201924 . They have set up a group called Stop the Australian Vaccination Network here: https://www.facebook.com/stopavn . Do not use the old group page. Their website link has been suspended. I can only summise as to why he pursues and attacks anyone who dares to question any problems with vaccines. Twitter gives you a better idea of what they are like with their rantings and ravings. And these people want to be taken seriously !!! Look here at this one. http://twitter.com/#!/reasonable_hank . He links you in with the whole crowd. May I say to you. “Keep up your good work as community members.” You have raised the bar as far as communicating concerns and issues in a balanced way. I have ‘Liked’ your Page, now and look forward to discussing and ‘Sharing’. Kindest regards Anna.
Peter Bowditch says
This isn’t VINE. Even this site is not as crazy as Erwin. You owe the Sane Vax people an apology.
Anna Dominguez Smith says
Thank goodness for Facebook coming up with a timely status. He will hate this one too, because he hates religions as well. Watch him explode with rage when he reads this one . LOL !!! Kindest regards Anna. ”Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” (Matthew 12:34-35)
Anna Dominguez Smith says
Peter, Peter, Peter ! I knew that ! I wanted to be inclusive of both sites because VINE linked to this site and I wanted them to only have to go to one point. Now, what good points will you discuss today ? Kindest regards Anna.
Peter Bowditch says
I’m not surprised that Erwin linked to here. He’s right into batshit crazy.
Schwartz says
Remarkable. I think projection is the word of the day here.
DixieDiva says
Yes and who are the “crazy ones” again?
Anna Dominguez Smith says
Keep this information for future reference: Here in Aussie Land our Victorian Baillieu government has amended stalking legislation to include workplace and cyber bullying, with offenders facing a maximum 10-year jail sentence ? What do you have in America ? Read the Act right here:
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.vic.gov.au%2Fpublications%2Fresearch-papers%2F1400-crimes-amendment-bullying-bill-2011%2Fdownload&rct=j&q=Anti-bullying%20laws%2C%20state%20parliament%2C&ei=uJZqTuOoK8OsiAezs-DZBA&usg=AFQjCNFWa9YKT2doKvPIcnoCQnvYQ6rjZg&sig2=Ug5NsE4Jemn7SSxp-isSGg
Garbosmed says
I’m sure the org wouldn’t dare approach the FDA without solid and verifiable results, otherwise it would undermine their very purpose. I have no idea what lab they used, but I do know that the LAST time viral DNA was detected in vaccines, last summer when pig circovirus and human endogenous retrovirus K were found in the live virus vaccines, the work was done by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories. Hardly a fly-by-night operation. It sparked a vaccine suspension, FDA/CBER hearing, and a vaguely discomfitting admission that the viruses were in there but it probably isn’t a big deal because more people would be sick if it were. “Nothing to see here folks, move along!” should be written over the doorway of the FDA, it seems to be their motto. This is far more dangerous as it potentially involves infecting healthy children not with an unexpected contaminant, but with the very virus the vaccine is supposed to prevent.
ProudMom says
How to recognize that someone has another agendas/conflicts of interest other than health and safety:
1.IGNORANCE: They post a wildly ignorant comment either before they have fully researched the topic OR to be purposefully ignorant and therefore purposefully misleading
(eg. First comment posted here by Peter)
2. Refusal to discuss further: when the above ignorant post is either questioned or evvn rewrites with try statement of factual information/etc the same person either never replies further to that post, with the hopes that someone reading wouldn’t have read further than the first ignoarant post thinking this person must be right they sounded so convincing,
OR,
They will post a new post topic without even acknowledging the first ignorant post was refuted/corrected/etc…..
(ex. See any topic posted here by someone named “Peter” and you will see when the simple facts of the DNA/RNA/virus/etc concerns he first posted about were NEVER mentioned again by him, yet he continued to post other topcs/questions, all ignorant about the situation…and each time someone was able to present the facts, or even ask a question that hinted at refuting his original ignorant topic, he ignored them and moved on to a whole new topic post, never to speak of/address the older posts…
3. FEAR and FANCY words: these same people will always use fear filled comments and also lots of fancy words, making them SOUND to people reading (who aren’t already fully versed on the subject) ..hoping they make themselves sound intelligent to these readers and hopes that these new readers won’t read PAST their comments because they “sound so right”….which is also why you will never see someone with a conflict of intrest or other agenda other than health and safety, you will never see any of them continue to defend their original ignorant positions they post about because they dint want to draw attention to the posts AFTER theirs who would be the ones presenting the actual facts…
(ex. See one of “Pwters” posts here where he mentions something or other about those who might want further safety studies in Garadsil , he calls them something like girl/woman killers because we want the safest things we can get!…
4. Basically “Peter’s” posts here are the classic example of what someone with an alternative agenda does…go back and read EACH of his posts. ALONG WITH alll of the replies…and see that when he is presented with the FACTS (see first comment and reples) he fully dropped the subject and moved onto other “tactics”…us regulars are pretty used t these tactics, and there was even one poster here who called the next couple of questions “Peter” would ask…
Now, let’s see, “Peter” and the likes will reply to me that “Peter” just didn’t want to engage in any debate with such nonsensical and non-science, anti-vaccine liars….that is why he never replied to the facts concerning the DNA being there VS his first ignorant post here….however, if that was really honest, he would have left the comments completely, instead he choose to ignore the FACTS and go forward asking more fear filled purposefully misleading and ignorant statements/questions, all in an attempt, like mentioned above to hope that a reader would read his latest comment/reply and stop and therefore “believe” in his ignorance….
This is the SAME kind of thing you see day in and day out, when there are alternate agendas…those with an alternate agenda will never FULLY discuss anything that someone refuted, that actually included answering further questions or presenting more info to back up the original ignorant post/idea/question/statement…instead of rational debate and conversations, sharing ideas and concerns, actually being able to learn from others or be ale to share real and truthful information, it ends up them being fear mongers while calling others that..an hopefully some will believe them…it’s awful! And no matter how many times I give “the other side” a chance to share the info they have, I NEVER get full answers, I never get replies to the educated and respectful questions I have..and why? I have come to recognize it’s because they HAVE alternate agendas or they wouldn’t have any issue with answering.,just like “Peter” here…
Shame shame we know your name..and we are just getting stronger the more you try tactics..because the truth will always win, plain and simple..
Anna Dominguez Smith says
I have repeated this message a second time to link up with both the person who is causing the problem and notify current readers of their rights and responsibilities. Did you know that the the Victorian Baillieu government in Australia, has amended stalking legislation to include workplace and cyber bullying, with offenders facing a maximum 10-year jail sentence ? Read the Act right here: What do you have in America ?
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.vic.gov.au%2Fpublications%2Fresearch-papers%2F1400-crimes-amendment-bullying-bill-2011%2Fdownload&rct=j&q=Anti-bullying%20laws%2C%20state%20parliament%2C&ei=uJZqTuOoK8OsiAezs-DZBA&usg=AFQjCNFWa9YKT2doKvPIcnoCQnvYQ6rjZg&sig2=Ug5NsE4Jemn7SSxp-isSGg
Douglas says
Why? 1) Profit. 2) Population control.
DieDaily says
The vaccine apologists are going to come out in droves now, but the tide has definitely turned. I leaned hard on my daughter to *not* get the vaccine which was offered at her school. Most parents around here did the same thing. Her best friend was one of the girls that did receive the Gardasil series at her mother’s insistence and was shortly thereafter plagued by gut/digestion problems, newly presenting food sensitivities, fatigue, and worst of all massive disruption of her menstrual cycle that included multiple months of missing and random very heavy bleeding.
CaronRyalls says
My daughter received the Cervarix vaccine in the UK and she had a bad reaction to it, initially with vomitting and a ‘flu like virus and then with fatigue that the doctor put down to post viral fatigue. After 9 months she is much better but still has the occasional period of exhaustion. She still complains about muscle aches, and since her last jab in May has suddenly become allergic to our dog (we’ve had him since she was three with no problem) and her periods are very long and heavy (she was recently prescribed a course of iron supplements). I feel that we were ‘conned’ into giving our perfectly healthy daughters this damaging vaccine and I am so scared about the future outcome for our girls, because I really do believe that the real effects will show themselves in the years to come as the girls mature. I’m so angry that the medical establishment and government are doing nothing about it!
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Godfrey says
INEFFICACY OF THE VACCINE AGAINST THE HPV SEEN BY DOCTOR OF
PERU DEPHT
From its inception until the appearance of tha uterine carcinoma of the cervix (UCC) take in average 25 to 30 years; the investigation on the vaccine against the human papilloma virus has begun the 2000; the scientific efficacy of this vaccine has just determined in the years 2025-2030
HPV not causes definitely the (UCC); in the onset of this disease are involve multiple risk factors, including suspected HPV, but there are security for epidemiology and statistics that sex generates the disease. Mix in 130.000 nuns not found not any UCC.
To accept that a virus or bacteria cause a disease must indefectible fulfill the 5 Koch postulates:
http://www.xatakaciencia.com/salud/los-postulados-de-koch
1. The agent must be present in each case of the disease and absent in healthy subjects.
2. The agent should not appear in other diseses,
3. The agent must be isolated in pure culture from the lesions of the diseases,
4. The agent has to cause the disease in an animal capable of being incoculated,
5. The agent must be newly in the lesions of animal in experimentation
http://es.scribd.com/doc/44558220/MICROBIOLOGIA-1
Consequently HPV do not fulfill not any of Koch’s postulate; fulfill this postulate is accepted as dogma in medicine, scientifically we can sure that the HPV is not the
causative agent of the UCC
Until June 2012 solely in USA was 263, 328 advers efffects, disabling irreversible 8,860, death 1160, abnormal PAP 4900, dysplasia cervical 1950, cervical cancer 560.
http://du104w.dub104.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=1668544653!n=1997022391&fid=e71773d143454209a436ace1ced14dca&mid=3cd42a8d-d11d-11e1-af47-00237de3f55e&fv=1 .
To accord of Vaccine advers effects reaction (VAERS) information that is denounced
solely between 1% to 10%
http://www.noticiero.enkoria.com/2011/diez-menores-que-sufrieron-reaccion-adversa-a-la-vacuna-vph-d
Dr. Harper, who helped develop the vaccine for Merck reports that the vaccine was not investigated in children under 15 years and the vaccine given to children under 11 years is a big public experiment.
http://offtheradar.co.nz/vaccines/53-researcher-diane-harper-blasts-gardasil-hpv-marketing.html
The vaccine was approved to give girls not contaminated with HPV; Dr.Howenstinc say if women are vaccinated contaminated with HPV are able to acquire a 44.6% CCU http://www.newswithviews.com / Howenstine/james170.htm.
This vaccine is transgenic; the Sane vax has discover that Gardasil is contaminated with DNA recombinant (DNArPVH) and has raised its concern to the president of the FDA Margaret Hamburg; the FDA replied that its presence does not cause any harm.
A vaccinated girl became ill with rheumatoid arthritis, which is an autoimmune disease. 24 hours after vaccination and found that the DNArPVH adhered to aluminum, two years after vaccination.
http://www.mecfsforums.com/index.php?topic=9331.0
To introduce the vaccine are using the marketing of fear:
http://mujeresenaccion.over-blog.es/article-vph-la-vacuna-del-marketing-del-miedo-67210961.ht http://mujeresenaccion.over- blog.es/article-vph-la-vacuna-del-marketing-del-miedo-67210961.ht
HPV is ubiquitous and lives in wild and domestic animals, we pollute from birth, is on the doorknobs, on towels, on the nails, on fomites, in gloves and specula of gynecologists; sexual intercourse is not the solely means of contamination.
http://spa.myhealthygood.com/cancer-cervical-vacuna-contra-el-vph/investigadores-descubren-el-v
HPV also lives in the 400 nm outermost of our skin and mucous membranes. ,
If live on our skin, our immune system produces cellular and humoral immunity; our body is naturally being vaccinated for HPV to live on our skin and mucous ..
http://www.conganat.org/seap/bibliografia/HPVToday/HPVToday007SEAP.pdf
The cervical carcinoma, neither the HPV are infections, contagious, epidemical, nor infectd only by the coitus
Gardasil is genetically modified;; known vaccines are made from killed or attenuated original bacterial or virus; it is UNKNOWN damage that produce in the future and is prepared to prevent infection only of HPVs 16 and 18; it is know that exist 200 species of HPV.
http://quimicaclinicauv.blogspot.com/2006/08/virus-del-papiloma-humano.html http://www-lab.biomedicas.unam.mx/smpv/queeshpv.htm
The HPVs are not distributed uniformly over the world. It was found that in Canada the HPV 18 solely less than 3%, more prevalent is HPV 31, in my country Peru there are no studies that established the predominant types of HPV, gardasiul contains 225 mcg and cervarix 500 mcg aluminum that produce Alzheimer’s, it is a mayor neurotoxine, disrupter of neurological funtion and immunoexcitotoxicity and polisorbato 80 which is a potent contraceptive that in the experimental animals produces sterility, atrophy of the testicles and funtional and morphological disturbance of the reproductive organs; are carcinogenic and mutagenic; also contains sodium borate considered poison, not used in medicinal preparations. http://www.telefonica.net/web2/paramahamsa/vacunaninosalerta.html http://detenganlavacuna.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/gardasil-cervarix/
Until now it is know 200 types og PVHs
http://quimicaclinicauv.blogspot.com/2006/08/virus-del-papiloma-humano.html http://www-lab.biomedicas.unam.mx/smpv/queeshpv.htm
December 2012 FDA approved the gradasil to boys since 9 to 26 years to prevent the anal cancer and wart. It is a excess.
http://www.saludpanama.com/la-fda-aprueba-gardasil-para-su-uso-en-ninos-y-hombres-jovenes
http://salud.aollatino.com/2011/02/02/aprueba-fda-nueva-indicacion-vacuna-tetravalente-vph-eeuu/
For the reasons from Peru, depth, Huancayo, I believe that this vaccine is a Fraud?, Robbery?, Swindle?, Rough Joke?; it is not scientifically proven at this time, its effectiveness will be verified just the years of 2025-2030.
Dr. Godfrey Arauzo
E mail: godo.ara@gmail.com
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